k.d. Lang’s a committed Buddhist
K.d. lang’s watershed
Her new album, Watershed, reflects the dramatic changes in her life since she became a committed Buddhist. K.d. lang talks for the first time about her Buddhist teacher and practice.
MELVIN MCLEOD: Over the years, you’ve made passing references to Buddhism, but this is the first time you’ve discussed your Buddhist practice in detail. How long have you been a Buddhist?
K.D. LANG: From a very early age I have considered myself to be a Buddhist. I don’t even know where that came from, it was just an innate feeling. I was also very interested in – and very sure of – the concept of reincarnation. Then the older I got and the more I learned about Buddhism, the more I felt at home with its principles and philosophy. I took refuge as a Buddhist about seven years ago, so it’s clearly something that I’ve kept relatively low key in the press. I don’t think it’s necessary or even helpful to advertise your practice of the dharma.
What type of Buddhism do you practice?
About eight years ago I met a teacher here in Los Angeles from the Nyingma lineage of Tibet, Lama Chodak Gyatso Nubpa. The great teacher Chagdud Tulku asked him to come here and work on stabilizing dharma in the West. Lama Gyatso quickly became my teacher. I have been practicing and studying with him since.
I’m very proud to be a Nyingma practitioner. It totally suits my character. It’s the oldest Tibetan lineage and yet in some ways the most radical, you might say. Although there is plenty of academic study, it is not fundamentally academic. Beyond that, the importance of being a Nyingma to me is the purity of the lineage. The oral transmission has remained unbroken and it’s very, very potent. There is an unwavering dedication and homage to Guru Rinpoche, the founder of the lineage, and to your root lama. That kind of deep dedication is what makes the Nyingma tradition so special.
What Practices do you do?
I’m actually in the middle of doing my ngondro, the preliminary Vajrayana practices. I practice it in my hotel room, on the plane, wherever I can. As far as our sangha is concerned, there are practices that we do as a group on a regular basis. We have a throma retreat that we do every yeat. We do Yeshe Tsogyal and a few other secret practices. We do Orgyen Dzambhala every New Year’s.
Committing to a teacher as you have, particularly one in the Tibetan tradition, can really turn you life upside down.
Yes, absolutely! [Laughs]. That’s very true! When you find your teacher your life is turned upside down, but in the most divine way. My involvement with the dharma has completely changed the structure of my life. Our sangha is very small, so we work very hard. I would say that supporting Lama Gyatso Rinpoche’s activities is my number-one job. Together with my partner, Jamie Price, I’m on the board of directors of Ari Bodh, the American Foundation for Tibetan Cultural Preservation. We’ve been building a long-term retreat centre on a 475-acre property north of Los Angeles. We’re just four years old now, but we are planning to create a facility that will accommodate retreats of three or more years. We have a temple, which has a lovely statue of Guru Rinpoche commissioned by Lama Gyatso.
We also have a children’s camp called Tools for Peace. The curriculum we use there is being translated into four languages now. Kids come to Ari Bodh every summer for the camp, and I serve as a cook and bottle washer there. It’s very rewarding.
What about your singing career?
Well, my singing career got put on the back burner a little bit. When I took refuge and became a practitioner in earnest, I started devoting my time and energy to practice and building our meditation center. Music became this thing that basically kept me paying the bills. Fortunately, I had the opportunity to make the record with Tony Bennett, Wonderful World, and then Hymn to the 49th Parallel, an album of covers of classic Canadian songs. Interpretive records take far less time and energy than writing and recording your own record.
Also, starting on the path relly wreaked havoc on the concept of writing material. I was always worried about whether I had to literally become like Milarepa, the great yogi and ascetic, and write songs about spinning the dharma wheel [laughs]. I was a little nervous about the prospect of having to do that. That was one of the reasons it took me so long to write the new record. I was processing all of this information I had been learning and absorbing, which was changing the actual structure of my brain, and my soul, and my heart.
It’s not unusual – I know myself – to think at the beginning that you have to go off and live in a cave or something.
Exactly. You can become pretty carried away, to the point where you feel you have to let go of your friends and your house and all sorts of things, and nothing can be integrated. Its total chaos. Then all of a sudden everything starts to integrate. At a certain point. Buddhist practice is so inseparable from everything you do that you start to live and breath it. I suppose that’s the gradual process of awakening – it’s naturally incorporated into your very being. You don’t even think that you’re processing things in a “Buddhist way,” particularly.
What about your songs?
I had a couple of conversations with Rinpoche, asking him whether it was important for me to actually integrate my practice into my lyrics. He told me, “Oh, no. Not necessary.” That was a big relief, because it took away the pressure of having to produce explicit dharma songs. Of course, the dharma is integrated into the way I think and breathe and live, so it’s also integrated into the way I write lyrics. But it hasn’t been purposeful. It’s been natural. It has been a total relief to realize that. Buddhism is a religion of non-proselytizing, so it would have felt very unnatural to make an effort to include Buddhism in my lyrics.
How would you say, then, that your practice has affected the songs on your new album?
I’m a young practitioner. I’m really just in the initiation stages, which is like standing naked in front of the mirror and diving inside to see what you’re working with, what kind of a mess in going on in there! [Laughs] The new album, Watershed, is a reflection on my various relationships – my relationship to my partner, my relationship to my music, to my fame, to my teacher, to this existence. I try and touch on those things on some of the songs, such as “Je Fais La Planche” and “Flame of the Uninspired.” “Coming Home” is about finding my past. I tried to write the song in a way that would transcend all of the pedantic ways of expressing it, and just be completely naïve about it, you might say.
I have always been struck by your willingness to expose yourself in your music – your heart, your desires, your pain. That kind of openness and vulnerability, which takes courage, is a core dharma principle.
I guess that’s been there. I would like to think I’ve always been Buddhist; it just took me a while to find my teacher.
Your song “Constant Craving” is a beautiful and accurate restatement of Buddhism’s first noble truth.
I think “Constant Craving” just comes out of the experience of being human. The realm of desire is such a common theme in my music. I don’t know why. Maybe it’s because I like it so much. [Laughs]
My Buddhist teacher, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, said it was essential for the Buddhist practitioner to have a “sad and tender heart.” Your music often has those qualities of tenderness and pain.
Definitely. I suppose “melancholy” is a word that might apply, but I kind of shy away from that word because it carries a negative connotation. There is, though, a peacefulness in melancholy, because it’s balanced. When something is too entirely desperate, or too entirely sublime, it’s not balanced. The middle way is the most sustaining.
Does the title of the album, Watershed, refer to your own life and what you’ve gone through becoming a committed Buddhist?
I would say so. The idea of watershed has a great deal of pertinence to becoming a Buddhist and following the path. It seems to me that the flow of dharma – or the flow of one’s own innate buddhanature – is like water. There are obstacles, but eventually the water will find its way around them. A change of direction happens when you take refuge and become a practitioner. For me, it’s been about reassessing, reviewing, and reprioritizing everything in my life. It’s been about revitalizing my morality and my relationship to cause and effect, meaning what I do as a person – with my body, speech, and mind – and how it affects all other beings. Each song, as I said, is about my relationship to something, and it’s also about the cause and effect of each of those relationships.
When the album comes out, and you talk to the mainstream press about the title, are you going to talk about it in Buddhist terms, as you are now?
I would essentially answer in the same way I’m answering you, although I wouldn’t use terms like “bodhichitta” or “planting the seed of dharma” ir “refuge” because dharma is a very personal thing and I wouldn’t want to have it taken out of context, which I think would be a negative thing.
In other words, it’s better to be it than preach it.
Exactly. I think we’ve seen instances where famous people have talked about Buddhism in the press, in a way that was not necessarily beneficial. I feel very protective of the dharma path and very protective of my relationship with Rinpoche. But at the same time, I want to connect people to it, I want to awaken people to it. I have been very cautious, though.
Beyond its impact on your lyrics, has your meditation practice influenced how you sing?
Absolutely. The effect on my voice is immeasurable. Truly immeasurable. Doing mantra and doing the prayers has completely changed my voice. Once again, I don’t know if I can define it exactly. It’s more ethereal or elusive than saying something like, “My voice is enriched by the lower register.” It’s not that simple. My relationship to the control and fear of singing is gone. I don’t mean breath control. I mean control as in forcing myself into the music and feeling that I’m controlling the music, rather than feeling like a vessel or a vehicle. I trust my teacher so much, and I trust the path so much, that I also trust that I can do the work and simply be a vessel for something larger.
Just to know that there’s a greater purpose to my music, a real purpose, has taken all the work out of it. That’s emancipating, because I don’t get stressed singing anymore. I don’t get tired singing anymore. The very first thing Rinpoche said to me the first time I met him was, “Make sure your motivation is clear.” I’d always thought that my motivation was right, but it turns out that there’s a lifetime of examination in finding true motivation.
How do you feel your music can benefit others?
The most important thing about my music—other than making people happy and peaceful for a second—would be the good fortune I have to be close to the lineage masters. Somehow, through my music, I could connect the listeners to those masters.
The blessing of your connection could come through the art you produce.
Yes. Certainly not in a mundane, phenomenal way, but in the most divine way possible.
Many musicians try to communicate emotion through elaborate ornamentation. Your music tends to be spare and straightforward, and yet to me it conveys more emotion and meaning. Is that quality of space and simplicity something you have consciously cultivated?
I could go on about this topic for hours. There are many reasons for that kind of quality in the music I do. Number one, I am a Buddhist, so emptiness is everything. When people ask, “Do you look at the glass as half full or half empty?” I always say, “I’m Buddhist. I look at it as half empty!” [Laughs]
To me, space is everything. Space is the opposite truth to sound, so it is as important as sound. As a producer, I’m always looking for space, and I’m always looking to create that pocket, especially for the voice.
I grew up in the Canadian Prairies, so I know about big spaces. I think my basic aesthetic, as a person as well as an artist, is minimalist, because of the Prairies. Ornamentation, I think, is an urban aesthetic. I would venture to say that it is an African-American urban sort of thing. I think it stemmed from the gospel. That is not my background, who I am, my history. When you hear Mahalia Jackson or early Stevie Wonder or early Aretha Franklin, or early gospel singers, that’s a very pure, beautiful thing. It’s real. Now, music with a lot of ornamentation is often a caricature of that pure form. It’s fraudulent.
Speaking as a fan, which I have been for many years, I would say that you have one of the finest voices in the world, like a Maria Callas, Pavarotti, or Streisand. If it’s not too strange to ask, what is it like being able to sing like that?
On a purely mundane level, it is totally mind-blowing to have this sound come out of my body. It feels like a whole ocean of surfers are available to me at any given moment to open up my voice and play around with a melody. It does blow my mind.
But the deeper truth is that we all have world-level gifts. I’m not just saying that. I honestly believe it. Maybe sometimes we are not able to reach and bring out our gifts, but they are there. It can be quite ordinary—when you see a Bhutanese woman making cheese dumplings and you taste one and it’s the best cheese dumpling you’ve ever eaten in your life, it’s the same thing! It’s essence. Ultimately, I don’t really see myself as separate from anybody else in terms of having a gift.
Source: k.d. lang’s watershed, Melvin Mcleod, Shambhala Sun, March 2008
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There’s one paragraph that I can relate to it in so many levels:
【 You can become pretty carried away, to the point where you feel you have to let go of your friends and your house and all sorts of things, and nothing can be integrated. Its total chaos. Then all of a sudden everything starts to integrate. At a certain point. Buddhist practice is so inseparable from everything you do that you start to live and breath it. I suppose that’s the gradual process of awakening – it’s naturally incorporated into your very being. You don’t even think that you’re processing things in a “Buddhist way,” particularly.】
I also felt a deep connection towards Buddhism after reading the book on “The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying”, even more so after the death of my dad. Substantial hours were spent on listening, reading and searching for something that moved me deeply, something that I felt “That’s it! ”. I do not have family members that were touched by that same connection, not even my husband (oops!?) although he practically has knowledge on Buddhism too. I can easily spent the entire afternoon sitting down and listening to Rinpoche’s teachings, enhancing and practicing my so called “skills” of chanting, doing some basic rituals, memorising the verses, sleeping less and the list goes on. At one point, I felt that I’m in the wrong place, wrong timing and I do not deserve to be stuck in the current situation that I’m in. Basically there’s so much things that I wanted to do! Like what she mentioned “It’s totally chaos!”
Then all of a sudden I was pulled down from cloud nine, I need to face and accept my life -That I have family, I have many roles to fill in, I have young ones to take care, that I needed to start earning, learning the necessary skills to stay put with my job, patching up relations with others especially those that I deemed as “not liking” and many more. My so called “Buddhist way” of living is after all not so holy anymore and sometimes I just need to do what seemed as contrary. ?.. and then, that’s me now. Trying to practice here and there, learning bit by bit, crawling my way to sit and do sadhana (and gosh sometimes it’s dragging me so long to finish it) and what else? I’m particularly thankful to Rinpoche for the blog, advices and sharing. This keeps me ‘in touch’ with Buddhism and I do hope to be full time in Dharma too, someday…. ?
Thank you for this great piece. I have always felt that KD was a Buddhist.
Being a Buddhist, when we fully understand and appreciate Dharma, integrating Dharma into our daily lives become automatic and natural. I like k.d. Lang’s comment about Buddhism: “the flow of Dharma is like water. There are obstacles, but eventually the water will find it’s way around them.” This is how nature work !
Dear Rinpoche:
I am not a fan of KD Lang but i have heard about her achievement since a very young age. It came to no surprise that she is a spiritual person, and this rare interview had just gave us an sneak peak in to her life in past few years behind her fame, celebrity hood and money.
She speaks with such confidence and understanding of dharma and display such guru devotion in this interview. She is very protective of the dharma and did not use Buddhism as a marketing tool to sell to the world. That I like very much.
She has shown us that even with the most worldly attachments, you can still practice dharma. She is doing so much more behind the scene than the “entertainment” business that we know of. Her imprints are very strong, could be her previous life… It is wonderful to find out that more and more people are actually doing good for the world in oppose to just make a life without any meaning.
Thanks Rinpoche for always share all different type of knowledge with us. I’m really like KD’s story. For a person who is in the most samsaric entertainment industry but not attracted to the fame, money or power, but by using what she have to share a believe that benefited her life.
From this interview we can see clearly that she wasn’t trying to convert anyone to follow what she believe but more like a friend sharing something is good and works on her.
I like her guru devotion, she said she is very fortunate to get close with dharma teachers, she is very happy to be the ‘link” to sync Buddhist lineage Gurus to peoples who listen to her music, I don’t think she is wanted to convert Buddhism to anyone , but the reason for her added some teachings on the lyrics is to hope whoever listen to her song will meet the great teaching and Guru one day.
KD also mentioned that :
“It seems to me that the flow of dharma – or the flow of one’s own innate buddhanature – is like water. There are obstacles, but eventually the water will find its way around them.”
I like this teaching very much, it teaches us when we have problem , we should not run away but stay, and everything will be.
thanks
I liked her comment she likens emptiness to a half empty cup there is space. Space is necessary to grow. If there is no space we are like the cup that is full. You can’t add anything more to it. Empty the cup as they said. At times I do envy practitioners in the West they bring such a fresh perspective to Buddhism, as opposed to one who has grew up in Asia and at times we have many things mixed into what we regard as Buddhist beliefs.
就是喜欢佛教这一点,不论你是谁都接受你.
很多的人出名为的都是自己,很少有艺人像他通过歌曲, 将正面的讯息传达出去。追求名气钱财都不是问题,重点是在与你如何使用它。
有人说,我赚钱养家,所以我是好人因为我“帮”我的家人。但全世界每一个人都做一样的的动作,为什么还是那么多不快乐?还是那么多家庭出现问题?帮助别人不是应该更快乐吗?可见我们对家人好,其实是为了自己,希望晚年他们会照顾我们,但我们有问题时,他们会帮我们,这都是有条件的帮忙。
时时检查我们的动机,看看我们是否真的为他人而不求回报?
Dear Rinpoche,
Thank you for sharing this. KD Lang describes her relationship with her Guru and practice of Dharma so beautifully. She is a role model to a new practitioner such as myself, as I struggle to keep my connection with my practice while trying to make a living.
PS: I am going to buy her album. 🙂
Wow! I liked it when she said “It seems to me that the flow of dharma – or the flow of one’s own innate buddhanature – is like water. There are obstacles, but eventually the water will find its way around them.”
Thank you Rinpoche…
Dear Rinpoche,
This is truly inspiring especially for me as I always feel very very sad and sensitive nowadays. Sometime it can be quite unbearable. Perhaps, I realised the sufferings of others more and more and feel quite helpless even though I try my best to help. Also, since I am doing my business, I find it very hard to connect what I do on a daily basis to Dharma practice.
k.d.lang’s story and practice provides a very good example of how we can thru Guru Devotion, practice Dharma, internally, on the level of the center and reach out to the world even via her work. She uses her connection to the Guru and lineage on one hand and touch all others on the other hand thru her worldly endeavours. She is a very good example that ALL can practice Dharma, no matter what we do full time.