Do women make good Buddhist Pastors?

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DO WOMEN MAKE GOOD PASTORS??
 
I created a system within Kechara where ‘ordinary’ people of all backgrounds, genders, orientation and lifestyles can share or teach the dharma to others. They are called Pastors. To me I chose the word Pastor because it is wonderful that lay people wish to do more but are not monks/nuns. Although labels are not necessary to teach dharma, being a Pastor will help others to identify a committed person who shares dharma. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
Almost gone are the days where only monks, men in big hats and titles can efficiently teach the holy dharma. I think there are people with bills to pay, kids to raise, family obligations to complete and who are just fallible human beings who can share dharma from their hearts based on learning and experience. Who are good people. I think the monks/nuns are great and they are an inspiration, but sometimes hard to achieve for many of us. We do have our defilements, attachments and neurosis, but we also have compassion, care, love, life experiences too that can benefit others. So to me Pastors are people who are just people but take the special responsibility to share the dharma along with the responsibilities they have to fulfill or committed to even before they met the dharma.
 
I feel all people can be a great inspiration, great teacher and a great model of pastorship to bring dharma to others. Being a Pastor you take on special Pastor’s vows I have composed, and you engage in dharma studies and practice too. (http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/kechara-13-depts/first-ever-buddhist-pastor-ordination.html )
 
I have had all types of thoughts within the Malaysian Buddhist community that Buddhist Pastors shouldn’t give refuge and how could they replace monks/nuns. They are not replacing the monks/nuns. They are just increasing the chances of many others who are not monks/nuns but qualified to teach and can teach Dharma. They help to bring Dharma to many others. Also just because you are a monk or nun does not mean you are qualified to teach either.
 
I think it is very important to have Buddhist Pastors of all backgrounds and genders to bring dharma to others simply because it would suit many different types of people. I think everyone is the same.
 
I have heard doubts regarding women doing this and I do not see a distinction. I think some women are are much more powerful than men and vice versa. I think the age of discrimination against women or anyone should come to an end.
 
What do you think? Please share your thoughts to help others understand better. Knowledge helps us overcome ignorance. It makes a difference to hear different opinions… 
 
Can women be ‘as’ spiritual as men? Will they be as respected in a spiritual role which is ‘traditionally’ dominated by men? Will women be accepted? Why or why not? If not, how can women become accepted in this? Any sources in history of powerful spiritual women? Is it necesary to have women as Pastors and spiritual leaders?
 
CAN WOMEN MAKE GOOD PASTORS?
 
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  1. Alice Tay on Dec 12, 2013 at 9:42 am

    众生皆有佛性。简单说,众生皆能成佛,只不过这是要看个人的坚持,能耐与修持心。。

    既然众生皆能成佛,那么如果讲法师是女儿身或是男儿身也不是重点了。。。

    般若波罗密心经有提到,舍利子,色不异空,空不异色。色即是空,空即是色,受想行识,亦复如是。
    简单说,女儿身或男儿身只不过是个形体上的差别。我们不需那么执著于不一样的形体,因为到最后也是空。。

    因此,一位授予讲法师 ,他(她)必需有一定的佛法知识和最重要的是由上师詹杜固仁波切所确认的。。。既然已经选择追从上师仁波切的教导,那么仁波切所做的一切也是为了达成目的,利益众生。。。

  2. jerry_sito on Nov 28, 2013 at 11:30 am

    感恩仁波切的开示与教诲

    佛法最终抵达的是菩提心与空性,那么无论是什么性别,只要精进地修学佛法,并严守戒律,待持修得了完全的菩提心与空性,那么不都一样能证悟成佛吗?

    金刚瑜伽母,绿度母及21度母,同样的以女性的形象来渡化众生,那么无论讲法师是以什么性别,他们都是秉着诸佛菩萨的慈悲心识,无论是什么性别,他们的目的就只是,弘扬佛法及救渡一切有情众生,那不是一样吗?

    感恩尊贵的仁波切您,成立了讲法师制度,并在您慈爱与祝福下,让我们有更多的机会,修学与分享佛法,一切有情众生无论性别还是其他,您都用您的大爱包围着我们,教导我们佛法,让我们迈向证悟

    感恩仁波切,祈愿您长驻在世,常转法轮

  3. Vinnie Tan on Nov 28, 2013 at 4:33 am

    Definitely women can be as spiritual as men, or in fact, some maybe even more spiritual then men as for women, once they have a direction in life, they would go all the way to fulfil that goal.

    I do not believe that only men can be better at doing spiritual things, there are nuns out there that are as good as some monks, or even better. It would definitely be good that there are female pastors as well as they too can benefit and help others, just like how Pastor Yek Yee has benefited and helped so many people. She is also a female, and it has proven that as a female, the females too can do magical things to help and benefit others.

  4. Jessica Yap on Apr 17, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    I think we shouldn’t focus so much on the title here.
    According to dictionary.com , one of the meaning of Pastors are: a person having spiritual care of a number of persons.. So the term Pastor is just a mere label that was used by other religions for years and years.. They could be labeled headmasters or doctors or anything, so long they are helping others.
    To me, so long the Pastor is someone who is able to help and guide us and answer our questions on our spiritual path, that is the most important factor to me. I am not saying that the gender and the title isn’t important but it’s just another label. This is just my opinion.

    Thank you dearest Rinpoche for making it possible for laypersons to be trained up as Pastors.

  5. likheng on Sep 4, 2012 at 5:14 am

    Based on the principal of reincarnation, i am certain that our mind streams have been male and female thousands if not millions of times. Thus, gender is really not important until defined and confined by society. As an example, in animal kingdom such as that for the lion, the “bread winner” are the lionesses.

    It is mostly out of fear that some individuals impose restraining definitions upon other members of society. Limitations are also introduced as a consequence of the desire to control, manipulate and benefit from others based on the belief that we are unable to practice the act of willful giving.

    As our world continues to degenerate, it is of great importance that we do not get distracted by the petty reasons that causes a separation within our society. Instead, we should focus our intelligence and effort on matters that pull us together because harmony is the key to long term success.

    Thus, I believe women can be great pastors just like men can be because we are much the same and extremely capable of complimenting each other as pastors.

  6. EricLee KHJB on Aug 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    对于女人的能力,我从来多没有怀疑过,只是有很多时候,她们会比较情绪化和比较难以拥有持续性。但是,只要她们拥有佛法的加持,能身体力行佛法,我相信不管是任何人,都能够胜任讲法的责任。而且,只要她的动机是为了利益大众,我相信她们也能和任何人一样,把讲法师的责任担当的很好。

  7. Paris on Aug 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    This is amusing. The point of the post, I think is not about the term of “pastor” – that’s just a matter of words / language and I don’t think we should get caught up in that. I think the point of the post is about women in spirituality and whether or not we think that women are just as capable – well, OF COURSE.

    I think there is no denying that physically, women do suffer more than men, and I think that’s probably what it means when they say that men “have more merit” than women. This is probably because it’s just easier for men to move around, it’s safer for them, they’re stronger and they don’t have to suffer the pains of things like childbirth. But that’s just on a physical level. The question I think is whether or not men and women have the same emotional, mental, intellectual and spiritual capacity to be spiritual and gain attainments.

    Logically, of course, men and women are equal in this sense. This is clear just in the way we consider reincarnation. We’re not just born as females over and over and over again in every lifetime. We may be women now, but we may have been men in a previous time, and vice versa. So would that mean that we’re more “capable” in one life than another? Surely not, since the mind itself is genderless and moves across incarnations. You don’t suddenly just become less attained because your gender changes from one lifetime to another.

    Another perspective, and something Rinpoche just mentioned the other day: that women have to suffer more, either physically or in the way that societies are set up and “function”. When we suffer more, we become stronger, gain more attainments – in this way, women have a greater capacity for practice as they have a stronger level of tolerance and endurance. (Having said that of course, there are many, many men who go through an equal amount of suffering. This isn’t specific just to women).

    I think it is also useful to study the story of Tara, and how she championed the way for women the universe over to gain true equality in our spiritual practices. Rinpoche has given an account of this here, in a beautiful story I never tire of hearing (well of course not, it’s all about girl power!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtYVQH1oKz0

  8. sweekeong on Aug 3, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    I feel women do make good pastors. Caring, helpful, discipline, good conduct, perseverance, persistence, optimistic, realistic, and humane, qualities people whould look up to. Women have these qualities too to some degrees or even better than men. Pastorship is about committing more to Dharma as compared to previous duties, doing more, taking the responsibility to help others by many means, continuously, working on your own weaknesses.

    Does this mean anyone can be a pastor? Yes, everyone, women and men, young and old. The qualities of the person make him or her to a be good pastor, people would look up to her for guidance and advice when they are having difficulties, and the person to go to for learning Dharma knowledge.

    Ultimate it is up to the individual to take up the responsibility as lay out in the pastors vows. At the end day no matter what is gender, or race of the teacher the student is the one who would benefit the most is what matters most.

  9. Carmen on Aug 3, 2012 at 5:33 am

    Yes, I don’t see why woman cannot be as spiritual as men, as it does not require any physical strength (which of course men in general will surpass women in that case) to be spiritual. The spirit and mind of one is independant of any physicalities, thus independant from gender. Like there are good male prime ministers, there are good female prime ministers (otherwise how do they get voted into that role anyways?), like there are good male doctors, there are good female doctors and so on and so forth. Therefore, yes, women can be as spiritual as men.

    I don’t know if they will be as respected in a spiritual role, as people’s mindsets are hard to change. But with any changes, when there are results, people will tend to support and respect, so even if they are not as respected to begin with, it can be and will be earned. Acceptance will be dependent on results and consistency, but initially, I think people will give the benefit of doubt, as in today’s society, gender equality is getting more prevalent.

    Yes I feel it is necessary to have women as Pastors and spiritual leaders because, like the reason there are so many emanations of Buddha/enlightened beings, having women as Pastors may attract a different audience than men Pastors. Therefore, if it reaches people who otherwise might never seek spirituality, why not! Every avenue to spread spirituality should be necessary to make it (and anything else) successful.

  10. lewkwanleng on Jul 30, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Though male and female are different both physically and emotionally, I strongly believe that women and man can both do the Pastor duty well.

    Female Pastor will also be respected if they do their duty well. Just look at Mother Theresa as one of the many examples.

    One of the duties of Pastors are giving counselling, and to me, women are generally better listeners than man. Actually, when it comes to the concept of compassionate, people are easier to relate to female figures because mother are usually kinder and closer to us especially when we are young.

    One of the things I am proud about Buddhism is that it does not discriminate on gender, and having women Pastors is a solid proof that Buddhism does not discriminate.

  11. jennifer on Jul 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    I believe that women can do anything that a man can do. In fact women have a stronger sense of intuition, are less ego orientated and feel more deeply.
    I don’t like labels. Labels are man made ( no disrespect nor pun intended here ). It’s just a name placed upon someone or something , more as a point of reference. So if one is called a pastor,a nun, a monk, a priest , be the person male or female, as long as that person has the knowledge, commitment , compassion and ability to bring Dharma to all, to relief suffering of others , then the label of ‘women pastor’ or ‘male pastor’ is irrelevant.
    Kechara’s Pastor Susan and Pastor Yek Yee are wonderful examples of women pastors performing their duties with so much conviction, i truly respect them, as i respect pastor Chia and all the other members who put in their whole heart and mind in bringing the Dharma to the world.

  12. Uncle Eddie on Jul 28, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “Feminine Wisdom containing power, love, growth and awakening. Worshipping the feminine energy and showing respect to its “Awesome Power” is revered in the Buddhist Tantras taught by Buddha.” As shared by Rinpoche with us in the mentioned-teachings of Lord Buddha, women can and will certainly make make good Buddhist pastors as what what have been disclosed. Thank you Rinpoche for your kind thoughts that “discrimation against women or anyone should come to an end”. Buddhist pastors of all backgrounds and genders can definitely help to bring Dharma to many others, as what they already have been doing and fine too! Many find it easier to listen to women speakers than men in respect of their feminity and gentleness.

  13. Veron Tung on Jul 27, 2012 at 9:11 am

    I would say definitely Yes Yes Yes that women can too make good Buddhist Pastors. Why not? Gender should not be an issue to define whether a person is compassion or tolerate. As a matter of fact, women somehow is compassionate, as it is their nature instinct to nurture others. I do believe that pastors should be from different background, gender, races & languages. It would be easier for them to connect to different people who needs their guidance.
    Our lady Pastors in Kechara has always be a very good model role to all of us. They are compassion, responsible, loving & caring, which is equally as good as male pastors. To me, “pastor” is just a form and labelling, a word that is easy to let people seek for comfort, guidance and help from them. Normal ladies like Aung San Sung Khi and Mother Teresa is humble, sincere, great knowledge, loving, caring, compassion,always thinking for others, they also qualified with the word “pastor”.

    Hence, YES! Definitely Women can make good Buddhist Pastors!

  14. Karen C. on Jul 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Stereotyping social roles based on gender is not unusual in the society. However the fact that the society now is getting more women-dominated has made gender discrimination invalid. There are so many female leaders in the world, Ang Su Kyi is one of the foremost female leaders who radiates the powerful potent female energy. Her spiritual practice has brought tremendous results in her life.

    I strongly believe that female can be good pastor. Why not? Personally I respect Pastor Yek Yee of Kechara a lot. She is always available 24/7 to help others and she never make any complaints. She dedicates her life to Dharma and benefitting others. She is beautiful in all aspects…

  15. Thierry on Jul 24, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    To say that a woman would not make a good pastor is to say that they could not get enlightened and is to contradict the posit that a human being can achieve enlightenment.
    If a woman can get enlightened, then she can make a good pastor.
    Simple, shirt, logical.

  16. sockwan on Jul 24, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Gender should not become a limitation for someone who understand and practice Dharma well to teach Dharma with the intention to benefit others.

    It is so true that in our world today, it is not easy to find monks or nuns. Let’s face it, it is not a path that most parents would like their children to pursue. If we only rely on monks/nuns to give Dharma teachings, Dharma would eventually disappear.

    Laypersons who are passionate and practice Dharma well will be able to deliver Dharma easily to other laypersons because their experiences can be easily related to.

  17. Han on Jul 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Regardless of gender, woman can be a good Buddhist pastor too.
    In history, woman was rare to be ordained as a Buddhist pastor. In today world, woman can be a spiritual leader as much as man.

    The two wonderful female pastors from Kechara, Pastor Yekyee and Pastor Susan they are equally good as the male pastor.
    They teach dharma, they nurture newbie, perform pujas etc.
    They take up the responsibility and learn up dharma and share with others compassionately, they selflessly choose dharma as to benefit others, regardless of gender, definitely true enough that woman can be a good Buddhist Pastor.

    I like what Rinpoche mentioned,
    “Feminine wisdom contains power, love, growth, and awakening. Worshipping the feminine energy and showing respect to it’s awesome power is revered in the Buddhist tantras taught by Buddha.”

  18. Irene Lim on Jul 24, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    This is what my friend James Brady commented:

    Hi Irene. I tried the link you sent with the same result. here is my view on Women Pastorrs. The breakthrough for women Pastors was started in the Church of England. There was adversity to it, but now part of the church daily life. Why should there not be women pastors. Should there not be equality for all women at all levels of Life. In Buddhisim, you have Nuns, why not as Pastors. They gave there life to there calling In life, and for the belief they share in the Buddha. I agree with Women Pastors in Buddhisim. Whe ever said it was a Gentlemans Clum. With Women Excluded. Namaste. James. <3

    • Irene Lim on Jul 24, 2012 at 5:49 pm

      Yes, women are equally spiritual as men. Women are equally important as men. There is no more or less in their role in gaining spirituality and nurturing spirituality in Buddhism or other religions. In fact they both compliment each other to bring spirituality to greater heights and accomplishment. Both ‘yin and yang” energy are required in this world system to make the entire world go round and to bring goals to accomplishment. Every man are born out of women; Buddhas are born from woman. Hence, there should never be any discrimination of women and this question of whether women make good Buddhist Pastors should never arise.

  19. Milly on Jul 24, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Women can make good Buddhist pastors. Women are born with motherly instincts and have a lot of compassion in them. In difficult situations, mothers persevere in hardships to bring up their children and family. Some big corporations are now being helmed by women. In some countries, women are head of state or ministers. Society has now accepted women holding top positions or other male dominated positions. Hence, if a woman chooses to study the Dharma well and become a pastor, I believe they will be able to benefit many. Just like some women feel more comfortable to consult a female gynaecologist, hence female pastors can reach out to the category of women who feel they are able to relate better with their own gender.

  20. Leann Lim on Jul 24, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I think women can be a good pastor, as responsibility of Pastor is to teach and spread the Dharma knowledge, is not affect by the physical form. I was thinking about mother Tara that to correct there wrong views from the mind of certain beings and determination forever be reborn as a female! “Therefore until this world is emptied out, may I be able to serve the aims of beings with none but a woman’s body” by Tara. can see the Tara story here : http://arya-tara.blogspot.com/

    And look at to Mother Teresa – winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979; the vows is to give “Wholehearted and Free service to the poorest of the poor”. And Lady Amma – Free hugs lady that has given over 31 million hugs and blessing to the world. I did not see any doubt of why women cannot as spiritual as man, and gain respect from people. For me if the person is sincerity, great knowledge, love, caring, compassion,think for others, humble, she or he can be a good Buddhist pastor, no matter of the gender and no different each of this.

    Like Kechara 2 female Pastor : Pastor Yek Yee & Pastor Susan, they are great Pastor, through their spiritual practice that always giving their help without day and night, just hope to plant the Dharma seeds in people they meet and hope the suffer will be reduce of the blessing. Thank you Pastor and Thank you Rinpoche for this sharing.

  21. Zla'od on Jul 24, 2012 at 11:26 am

    The Gelugpa monastic order is male-dominated. If women and men are equally capable of spiritual leadership, then does this mean that the Gelugpa hierarchs are unenlightened?

    But perhaps their good intentions are constrained by the wider sexism of their host societies. In that case, when do you suppose that female Rinpoches will begin to appear in Gelugpa circles?

  22. Mic on Jul 24, 2012 at 5:13 am

    Whether you like it or not, we are still living in a patriarchal society and discrimination against women still exist. Thus, I have no surprise there are people who still doubt about the capability of women and these people are not just limited to men. Most of the societies are still practising gender inequality without realising it. It is very difficult to unwind the perception, norm and culture of the people. Societies are still suppressing women in order to secure the position and power of men.

    At anytime, women can be as spiritual as men. Women are smart, wise, caring, committed, strong, responsible, etc as any other men. Women sometimes have to keep low profile in order to make their male boss, husband or partners feel comfortable. I have no doubt women will definitely make good pastors. Whether the society can accept that, it will be a different story.

    Whether women will be respected in a spiritual role which is traditionally dominated by men, this will really depend the perception of the society. Whether you like it or not, there will be still a certain degree of discrimination exist. Just imagine, if HH Dalai Lama was a female, how would the buddhists world perceive the female HH Dalai Lama? Will she still gain the equal respect as compare to the current HH Dalai Lama? Imagine the Bishop of Rome, Pope Benedict XVI was a women? Imagine the Muslim Imam was women? Will the world accept them? I personally feel that women will definitely be accepted as a spiritual leader but NOT the highest level. Women like Mother Teresa, Mata Amritanandamayi and Mary Baker Eddy were few of the example of women spiritual leaders, but could they hold the highest position in the religion like HH Dalai Lama and Pope?

    It is necessary to have women to be spiritual leader as they can understand women better, understand better the human’s need, show by example to the women that women are as important as men in spiritual practise , to nurture the women to be more spiritual, and to show the religion itself is not bias that the religion itself does not discriminate women.

    Women can make good pastors.

  23. william on Jul 24, 2012 at 2:59 am

    Why so stuck with the term “pastor”? Does it really matter what name we use and the term pastor is not exclusive to the Christian faith only, just because it is used more widely in that area. In the context of this post, it means lay people who are empowered to teach dharma and help others.

    Coming back to the question of whether female males good pastors? I think they do because women now are as knowledgeable as men and are worldly people. The role of pastors are to teach and help people but there are some people who prefers to open up to a female. So, female pastors will fill this gap in society.

    Women are also just as strong, compassionate and intelligent as all human race. So why discriminate in this modern age.

    The current 2 lady Pastors in Kechara, Pastor Susan and Pastor Yek Yee, has been very good examples of strong women who are compassionate and kind. THey are always there for the members when they need her. They are also available to perform pujas and counseling to members. On that note, I think there should be more pastors (male or female) so that more people could be served.

    • Zla’od on Jul 25, 2012 at 6:53 am

      Can you name another religion other than Christianity (and Kechara) which uses the term “pastor”?

      • Carmen on Aug 3, 2012 at 5:19 am

        I don’t see why using the word ‘pastor’ for a Buddhist disturbs others so much.

        From the Collins dictionary, one of the meanings of a pastor is : “a person who exercises spiritual guidance over a number of people”.

        A pastor is a role, it is a function, like any other roles/functions that one can have. Therefore, since it is a role or a function, it applies across genders, across religion, across creed, race, wealth. Regardless of these defining minor characteristics, the fundamental role remains the same: to be a pastor; a person who gives spiritual guidance to others. Spiritual, can be in relation to any religion, which relates to the wellbeing of the spirit or soul of someone.

        Therefore, the context of pastors or how it is use does not matter and requires no need for debating. How well the role is exerted should be of more importance than in what context it is used in.

  24. henry ooi on Jul 24, 2012 at 12:52 am

    I agree with the majority that women can be as spiritual as men. I view spiritually as one who has studied, contemplated and had spiritual experiences that have changed one to be a happy person and not judge one because of their gender. 100 years ago it was almost unheard of that women could be a leader, a politician, an astronaut, an engineer, an architect, and so on. Times have changed and women of today are intellectually smart, passionate, committed and have the experiences in fields that men are excelled in. I have met women with strong mind and I have met men with weak mind. Hence it is not the gender, color or creed of the person but the mind of the person.

    So, it is not a question whether to have women as Buddhist pastors and spiritual leaders or not, it is about that person having the knowledge and experiences, care and kindness and practicing compassion, integrity, passion, and wanting to go all the way to share and teach dharma and to benefit others. After all, a Buddhist pastor or dharma teacher is the same, just the names differ.

    The former presidents of Kechara were women, so is the current president. And Kechara is a spiritual organization.

  25. Pastor Yek Yee on Jul 24, 2012 at 12:34 am

    DO WOMEN MAKE GOOD PASTORS??

    Yes, I totally believed that a woman can done a good as a pastor! The role or function of a pastor is help or benefit others. So, to me that is no gender differential. A man or a woman will done a great job while they really do what they are suppose to do.

    Woman more detail, sensitive, soft, easy to approach, skillful, patient and friendly than a man. The qualifies be a good pastor sometime woman will be more powerful than man.

    Who can done a good job depends of the motivation! That is not differentiate between woman or man, only the care, love and compassion you willing to offer…

  26. Lim Han Nee on Jul 23, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    I agree with Seng Piow. The word ‘pastor’ as in ‘Buddhist pastor’ is defined by the roles and functions of a Buddhist pastor as has been clearly delineated already. We should not dwell on its connotative meaning or the conventionality of using the word.We should not try to define it as used in a Christian context.

    The two lady pastors in Kechara are fine examples of very committed, dedicated and caring pastors, who have performed their roles and functions very well. In a recent bereavement,for instance, where one of our Dharma brothers lost his only daughter of nineteen( who drowned while on a turtle rescue mission), the two pastors rallied around him and his family instantly. One of the pastors was with them all the way, day and night, right until the cremation and burial and afterwards.

    Having said that, I think, that any person can make a good pastor, be they a man or a woman.Not only must they be good as Dharma teachers, they must also at all times fulfill their pledge of serving others in any of the following capacities- as counsellors, nurturers, and giving solace and support in times of need – with an attitude of humility, care and great empathy and compassion.

    Pastors in Kechara have a ‘role model’ in their midst; and this is our Guru. At 3am of the morning of Saturday 21st July, Rinpoche visited the family in bereavement over their daughter and sister who had drowned. He comforted each of them, counselled and advised and put their minds at ease. When he saw the mother of the decease crying inconsolably, he hugged her and cried with her and said(as he always does),”May all your pain and suffering come to me”.

  27. Ong Moh Mei on Jul 23, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Do women make good pastors? Yes. Can women make good pastors? Yes. Men and women may be biological and physically different. The mind or consciousness is not bound to sex/gender. So men and women equally make good pastors.

  28. Valentina Suhendra on Jul 23, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Dear Lama

    Thank you for giving this assignment. Please find my response below.

    Can women be ‘as’ spiritual as men?

    Yes. Women can be as spiritual as men because being spiritual is in the mind not in the physical appearance. Tara has proven this by vowing that she will take woman form to achieve enlightenment.

    Will they be as respected in a spiritual role which is ‘traditionally’ dominated by men? Will women be accepted? Why or why not?

    The term “traditional” in here implies custom. Just because many people follow a certain custom, it does not imply that it is correct. History has proven time and time again that custom can be changed. A good example is foot binding custom in China.

    Yes. Women will be accepted. We are currently living in the world where substantial progresses to recognize women rights have been made.

    If not, how can women become accepted in this? Not applicable. See above.

    Any sources in history of powerful spiritual women? Is it necesary to have women as Pastors and spiritual leaders?

    Several examples of powerful spiritual women in history: Holy Mary – Jesus’s mother, Mother Theresa, Aung San Suu Kyi, Mr. Cheng Yen from Tzu Chi, Machig Labdron, and many others. Information about them can be easily available in the internet.

    CAN WOMEN MAKE GOOD PASTORS? YES

  29. Judy Lam on Jul 23, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    There are so many women who are inspiring figures such as Mother Teresa, Lady Diana, Master Zheng Yan, Aung San Suu Kyi and Oprah Winfrey. I do believe women can do great things. Women has a natural ability to bond with people and a motherly instinct to care for and nurture people. Others skills like hardwork, commitment, passion, knowledge & experience can be acquired regardless whether you are male or female. Therefore, I am convinced that women will make good pastors.

  30. Mei Fong on Jul 23, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I think women are fine to be Pastors as we currently already have two in Kechara house and they are absolutely fantastic. There are more girls / women pastor in training currently and i am happy for that. There are certain issues girls could touch and not by men and vice versa. I am thinking sex discrimination should no longer exist in this era where we are moving from the non-technological era to a more advance technological era where the amount of information is the key to success. Last but not least, would like to thank Rinpoche for initiating such a beautiful position of Pastors to reach out to more needful people

  31. Zla'od on Jul 23, 2012 at 10:52 am

    In the comments here I see a lot of reductionist language about gender, e.g. that women are naturally more compassionate than men, or that they possess a special kind of feminine wisdom, etc. To me this kind of rhetoric is as much of a distortion as the belief that women are naturally weak and subordinate.

    As a real-world political matter, Thai Buddhism strongly resists proposals to re-establish the bikkhuni lineage–there are even laws enforcing this. There is a lay class of white-clad dharma practitioner which anyone can join; it confers no special privileges. Tibetan Buddhism does have nuns, but remains male-dominated. It is hard to imagine this changing.

    Taiwan is really the only country where a female Buddhist leader has managed to effect fundamental changes. For example, nuns far outnumber monks now, and tend to be more respected. However, Master Zhengyan is in many ways a very traditional Confucian, who urges women to obey their husbands. Her own role is rather unique, since within the organization she is held to be a manifestation of the bodhisattva Guanyin. Ordinary women in Tzu Chi (Ciji) would not experience the organization as especially feminist, and other major Buddhist organizations continue to be led by men.

  32. Jace Chong on Jul 23, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I think the function of pastor is not affected by the gender. In fact, I think it’s good to have pastors of different gender, race and background, they can relate and connect to different type of people to help them.

    For me, seeing Pastor Susan and Pastor Yekyee is very inspiring. They are going all out to help people with their knowledge; there’s no different with male Pastor, like Pastor Chia.

    I have very good experience with Pastor Yekyee, whenever my friend has problem, I will immediately call her up, and she is always be there to help.

    Recently, I have a friend, Shane Lee, her mother had accident and was coma in the hospital. Pastor Yekyee arranged her time to visit her mother a few times, to do prayer. She also taught Shane what to do to dedicate merits to her mom by doing puja, offerings, animal liberation etc. Shane follows the instructions, a few weeks, the mom is awake, everything is ok beside the eyesight yet to recover, but for a coma patient, it’s very good improvement.

    Shane appreciates Pastor Yekyee’s help very much, and would like to bring her mom from Melaka to visit Kechara, and to thank Pastor Yekyee personally.

    Shane read about a similar case of her mom happened to a girl in Penang, who’s coma after accident. She sent a FB message to the girl family and told them what she knew, what to do as taught. The girl gets lots of spiritual support and she is awake now.

    This is one of the example of how a pastor relief one’s from fear and sufferings, and the benefits continue to spread. Thank you Pastor Yekyee and all the pastors in the world, giving your life to serve others. _/\_

  33. Ethan Chu on Jul 23, 2012 at 3:20 am

    Men, women alone created so many problems together. We give each other labels, but nothing seem to have a meaning behind. Whether or not Pastor is a label or it is a man or a woman, more importantly is the wonderful meaning behind it. Like I said earlier, we have enough human problems but if there are people who stepped up and do the job to help another sentient being, there is nothing more beautiful than that.

    I thank Rinpoche for being so modern and creating such new legacy in serving the people. As far as I know, there are many powerful well respected female icons throughout the decade. Even in Tibetan Buddhism there are many dakinis, female buddhas emanation and I think it suited the whole spiritual job perfectly with these kind of energy. Besides that, I also hope that there are more different genre of pastors like gays and lesbians, the single mother, the abused ones, the poor one, the beautiful ones, the unwanted in the society. Why? Because they will represent true human voice in the world because even though we are made of men and women, but we come in different kinds. This is what religion is all about, true acceptance.

  34. Julia Tan on Jul 23, 2012 at 2:31 am

    I think no matter women or men Pastors, they do have many job functions to carry out and they play a very big role in Kechara. Other than teaching Dharma, they pray and do puja, they counseling people, they examine and give advice on cases and issues when people come to them for help. I personally think that women can do a better job especially to help those who are facing domestic problems. Woman pastors normally are more attentive, more intimate, softer etc. They can comfort and accommodate others better especially women.

  35. Chin on Jul 23, 2012 at 12:07 am

    What makes a good pastor is not an issue of gender. It is rather an issue on how well a person conducts himself/herself, as this person will be looked upon as a role model. The name pastor is but just a title. However when a title is tagged to a person, expectations comes naturally. The bigger the title, the heavier the responsibility. And who are we to say who is qualified to teach and who is not?

  36. Datuk May on Jul 22, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    In the context of Kechara, a Pastor is ordained by Rinpoche to give us lay people who had missed the chance to be a monk or nun to impart Dharma to others holding onto Pastor vows.

    As such would we not say Pastors are Dharma Teachers. Can you imagine if there are no female teachers in the world.

    To my mind, Teachers are people who imparts knowledge with Passion, Love and Care and therefore if there is such a person who would do so, would it matter on Gender?

    I think women can make good Buddhist Pastors and whatever is to be considered, in the congregation of practitioners there are male and female, why not the female Pastors and male Pastors too.

    Whether any Pastor would be good or not, depends not on Gender but his or her knowledge and passion in spreading the Dharma and love for all sentient beings to be better off in their lives.

  37. Yvonne on Jul 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Thank you Rinpoche for sharing, for me what i think for a pastor is the person willing to sharing,willing to learn, willing to spend the time for other, willing the listen for other , willing to do more.
    Can women be ‘as’ spiritual as men? of course ! now a day, women is strong then a men,and characteristics of women is , when she want the things, she will follow until the end !!!This is what is think.

  38. tfreon on Jul 22, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Before Tzu Ji become an international charity organisation like today. Most of the people don’t look up on Nun. Looking around Chinese Buddhist history, mostly monks are the more famous one, i can’t recall any famous nun. To me nuns are very “passive” i am not sure it is because they are a woman thus nothing much can be done.
    This thoughts changed When Master Zheng Yan have done so much to help millions of people. She is a nun, but she did a lot to help others who is in need, she work with many people to make things success. She have many projects that she supervise or gave advise directly.
    The question do women make a good pastor? i personally feel is not the matter the person is a girl or boy. The question is how much you willing to share the Dharma knowledge to other, how much compassion does the person have that she/ him determine to do more for other. Gender can’t be a reason to stop the person from doing anything if she want to.
    Pastorship- Looking at today’s world. Who can truly be a monk or nun? Not easy, but it doesn’t mean that the person not compassion. To be a pastor is a “form” of renunciation or a ‘reminder” that the person needs to do more; to learn seriously more than others; in order to hold the lineage properly. A ‘layman” form of nun and monk is sometimes more convenient to get close to people.
    Thus to me, a pastor, or whether the person is a girl or boy in pastor is not a problems.
    I thanks Rinpoche for providing us a change to learn properly in Buddhism. Not only people from Malaysia but in the future around the world people who are serious to be in Buddhism can be a pastor.

  39. Grace Leong on Jul 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Mother Teresa and Master Cheng Yen are great examples of women “pastors” . Though they were not called “pastors”, they shared wisdom and compassion in everything that they did in their respective organizations . They were very committed to their faith and work , inspiring many around the world . From very humble beginnings , they persevered through trials and tribulations to bring love and care to as many as they could . During their times , women had even less recognition and freedom to “lead”. Women today are generally treated at par with men in most parts of the world . Hence , having more women pastors and spiritual leaders will be a very natural progression and certainly very welcomed by all !

  40. MayOng on Jul 22, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Any person, regardless of gender – with good intention, sincerity, kind, strong faith, commited, spiritually inclined, well-trained, can help anyone or anything, especially the role of Pastors. The name “pastor” is a label we created. As long as the “pastors” are qualified to teach, given blessings to do so and disciplined – female “pastors” are ok also.

  41. Grace ( KSJC ) on Jul 22, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Regardless man or women, it depend on how your sincerity & determination to achieve the objective. it depend on individual capability, behavior,attitude..some women also can become president!it is our heart whether want to make things happen, not our gender..

  42. Lim (KH JB) on Jul 22, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    We should accept and respect women capability, most of women is more compassion, passion and more mindful. So women sure can be “as” or “more” spiritual as men.

    As Rinpoche comment below “Feminine wisdom contains power, love, growth, and awakening. Worshipping the feminine energy and showing respect to it’s awesome power is revered in the Buddhist tantras taught by Buddha. Tsem Rinpoche” so female is suitable and welcome to be Pastor just like Pastor Susan and Pastor Yek Yee.

  43. Sheryl KH (JB) on Jul 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    I believe that both men and women are equally capable of being good pastors. It is discrimination lied within our hearts and minds that make things hard and impossible for women. Nuns of Gebchak Nunnery have already given us very good examples. In the eyes of buddhas, there is no difference between men and women. Spirituality depends on the upbringing, the background, the experiences and the attitudes that a person has, it is not about gender.

    Discrimination kills off many opportunities. At the end we all suffer, because those good ones are ripped off golden chances to do things which they can excel in.

    We all have to open up our hearts, to accept what we see/feel as oddity. Something that looks strange to us does not mean that they cannot perform.

    Women, however, tend to have more emotions than men. It is important that those who aspire to become pastors need to constantly remind themselves that they need to have a well balance of compassion, objectivity and rationality. If women can have a well balance of both emotion and rationality they can make good pastors. Women have this natural inborn ability to relate to people with great compassion, which is a valuable trait in any spirituality works.

  44. Tenzin Losang on Jul 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Just a little over 200 years ago, having female presidents and heads of states was something almost impossible to even think of. But these days, it’s the norm. We even have female corporate leaders. So people who think that women cannot teach Dharma have a mindset that is just so outdated. They need to update themselves.

  45. patsy on Jul 22, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Anyone irrespective of gender who is trained, have the knowledge and take the responsibility to share the dharma are qualified to be pastors. A pastor does not be a monk or a nun. There are many monks and nuns who do not have the qualifications to teach. In this modern age, there should not be any discrimination against women. In fact, there are women who are more powerful, respectable and inspirational than men in this age and time. As a woman myself who believes in equality and equanimity, women can be good pastors.

  46. Joy on Jul 22, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Pastor is just another word that defines – A layperson having spiritual charge over a person or group/ a spiritual overseers. I find this idea of Female Buddhist pastors really refreshing! In fact it is about time because there is a lack and women are mothers, they are naturally great nurturers, cup with Dharma… what do you get? Tara :) Possessing so much positive energy and strength. If she can share this energy together with Dharma, it would be so powerful and why not??? Women in Tibetan Buddhism has always been revered as supreme. The feminine wisdom contains power, love, growth and awakening and is revered in the tantras taught by Lord Buddha. Hence we have Tara and Vajra Yogini… who is most supreme in helping us achieve our full potential in a single life time. And the fascinating part is that she is ever more so efficacious during this degenerate time. The more degenerate it gets, the more powerful her practice becomes. So yeah… I definitely support this idea, not just because I am a woman myself but well hey EQUANIMITY right?!

  47. keng tan on Jul 22, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Gone are the days of discrimination be it of age, gender, race or creed. Life is too short for people to pick on some groups of people just because they do not feel ‘comfortable’ around them. We should make the most out of the resources we have today, so if someone has the knowledge and ‘knack’ to impart that knowledge, it really doesn’t matter who or what they are, so long as it benefits the masses. In this modern era, to be spiritual is like facing an uphill challenge due to life’s many distractions. Time is of the essence and we do not need to await for a fully fledged monk/nun to teach. As long as a qualified spiritual teacher has identified the appropriate individuals who can teach/share the ‘knowledge’ that is good enough.

  48. Seng Piow on Jul 22, 2012 at 7:02 am

    Likewise, priests, priestess, nuns, monks are all words in English, but the actual words in Eastern languages are different and the meanings are different also, therefore it is the same here with the word “pastor”, so we don’t have to get caught up with the technical term as long as we understand the meaning it wants to convey.

    • Zla'od on Jul 23, 2012 at 10:32 am

      One difference is that “pastor” carries specifically Christian connotations (Christ as the good shepherd, Christians as his flock), which cause the Buddhist borrowing to sound humorous or even offensive.

  49. tsemtulku on Jul 22, 2012 at 6:55 am

    Feminine wisdom contains power, love, growth, and awakening. Worshipping the feminine energy and showing respect to it’s awesome power is revered in the Buddhist tantras taught by Buddha. Tsem Rinpoche

  50. Seng Piow on Jul 22, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Eastern religions translated into English do not have sufficient words. Pastor is another word associated with Judeo Christianity, but not wholly owned by this faith. It can be used by anyone pertaining to any faith if chosen. So why not use a word that has been popularized and mainstream to describe a job that can be done by any person of any religion pertaining to THEIR FAITH, instead introducing another word and lose the point of the job. People do not need to get stuck on the word, but just think of the job.

    So do not get stuck with the word Pastor, the issue is can women be Buddhist Pastors? Why or why not?

    • Zla'od on Jul 23, 2012 at 10:23 am

      “Pastor” (Greek for “shepherd”) is not so much associated with “Judeo Christianity” as with Christianity in particular–and in modern times, even more specifically with Protestantism. This is why it is greeted with some amusement by people outside of Kechara. (If there can be Buddhist pastors, why not Buddhist rabbis or imams?)

      There is some precedent for other religions borrowing Christian titles: “monk”, “nun”, “priest”, “even “His Holiness” for the Dalai Lama (as a translation for kundun, lit. “physical basis,” nirmanakaya). Of course this obscures the many important differences between bikkhus and Christian monks, Shinshu priests vs. Catholic priests, the pope and the Dalai Lama, etc. New religious movements such as Scientology often adopt “Christian” sounding language in order to blend in, and seem more mainstream than they really are.

      One important consideration has to do with the “pastor’s” role. In Protestantism, a pastor would normally lead a church (there can also be associate pastors); in Kechara this does not seem to apply. In some churches he (or depending on denomination, she) would be appointed by the denominational hierarchy and answerable to them; in others, they would be voted in by the congregation and supervised by a vestry committee. Kecharaian “pastors” primarily exercise duties (such as teaching or spiritual counseling) associated with the diaconate (the ministry of deacons), and answer to Tsem Rinopoche–who seems to have assumed the role of “bishop,” and who probably has the power to “defrock” pastors at will. An important difference is that deacons do not normally lead life-cycle ceremonies such as baptisms, weddings, or funerals.

      I agree with the poster who suggested “Dharma Teacher” as a better term. I also cringe at Kechara’s references to “Buddhist baptism” and the like.

      • Sharon Saw on Jul 23, 2012 at 1:23 pm

        As one of the researchers who worked on Tsem Rinpoche’s biography, I visited Rinpoche’s hometown, Howell, New Jersey, in the United States. Interestingly, i found that the Mongolian community in which Rinpoche spent his childhood (from 7-15 years old), referred to their temples/Dharma centres as “Churches” and the monks were called “priests”. I just think that the references used are simply naming conventions and does not take anything away from what they actually are, which Buddhists would know are very different.

        Tsem Rinpoche is the spiritual guide of Kechara – he is not nor has he assumed the role of a bishop. I may be wrong but I would presume that you would know the role of a guru at a Dharma centre which follows the Vajrayana tradition.

        • Zla'od on Jul 24, 2012 at 11:10 am

          The English word “priest” is a little confusing, because it is usually applied to religious professionals who lead rituals (including pre-Christian or non-Christian ones). However, it comes from a Greek word that simply means “elder.” (presbyteros). “Church” is also confusing, since the English word comes from Gk. Kyrios (“The Lord”), but translates other Greek words (ecclesia synagogos)meaning “assembly.”

          I compare Tsem Rinpoche to a bishop because in Orthodox and Catholic ecclesiology, the bishop–though appointed–is technically the highest religious authority (the pope is technically the bishop of Rome), and within his parish, represents the whole church. To be out of communion with the bishop is to be out of communion with the entire church (i.e. denomination). In the same way, Kecharan pastors remain dependent on the Tsem Rinpoche’s continuing endorsement.

          • David Lai on Oct 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm

            I think it is totally inappropriate to make comparisons to Christian equivalent of a Pastor. Tsem Rinpoche is not a Catholic Bishop and the Pastors are not spreading Christianity. They will be Buddhist pastor and strangely people have huge bias against these terms. They are after all just a word like what Sharon says below this. You know Zla’od, it would be nicer if you have something nice to say for a change…

        • Zla'od on Jul 24, 2012 at 11:17 am

          PS The locus classicus of Buddhist adoption of Christian religious trappings would be the Buddhist Churches of America (which have pews and sing hymns).

          • Sharon Saw on Sep 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm

            I have been to the temples of Rashi Gempil Ling and Nyitsan in Howell, New Jersey, which have been referred to as churches and they look just like Tibetan temples, and nothing like the Christian church. In that sense, they are not like the churches you mention.

            Therefore, i still think it is a question of pedantics…. words are words.. they evolve with time depending on culture and circumstance. Rinpoche has explained in a very straightforward manner why the pastors came about and their function.

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  • Lin Mun
    Sunday, Feb 7. 2016 07:15 PM
    Thank you Rinpoche for sharing this quote. This is a very good reminder to me especially, who always fear and lazy to face the difficulty and think of other people’s perception on me.

    I agree that we should have a different mindset that our action is to inspire others and not stressing it on ‘me’.

    Thank you again for always encourage and motivate us to do better.

    http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/inspiration-worthy-words/do-something-so-you-dont-regret-later.html
  • Lin Mun
    Sunday, Feb 7. 2016 07:03 PM
    Rinpoche, thank you for giving us a chance to know and learn about the very sacred female Buddha. It gives us great opportunity to collect merits and make offering by having Vajrayogini stupa and statue in Kechara Forest Reteat.

    I hope more people would know about Vajrayogini and the practise.

    http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/kechara-13-depts/make-offerings-to-vajrayogini-in-kechara-forest-retreat.html
  • Lin Mun
    Sunday, Feb 7. 2016 06:42 PM
    Dear Rinpoche,

    Thank you Rinpoche for sharing this article as it provides a very good definition of karma.

    Karma is not a punishment but an action that will bring positive and negative result based on our intention. By understanding this we will be more mindful with our every thought, speech and action.

    The ‘Law of change’ again reminded me to always remember that if we don’t want to go through a certain condition then we must learn and change it. It is until we learn that we will not need to experience it again.

    Thank you again for sharing this article.

    http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/12-little-known-law-of-karma-that-will-change-your-life.html
  • Alice Tay
    Sunday, Feb 7. 2016 02:23 PM
    一个民主的国家都会以人民为主,达到一定的共识,然后设立严谨的条例或措施来维护和保障人民的利益。而芒康县人民政府也因为要维护人民的安全与和平相处,因此颁布此通告来制止他人有意利用多杰雄登(俱力护法神)供废分歧而制造社会的纷争。此通告里的十条规例非常清楚的列出,如果他人意图的利用多杰雄登的课题来制造纷争和破坏民族团结等,此人将会被起诉和负起刑事的责任。

    这是一个值得高兴和赞扬的公告。因为一个开明的政府,才能够让当地人民可以有信仰自由的保障和继续地修持多杰雄登。而当每个人都可得到护法的庇佑,他们不但可以专心的持修和同时也可以宣扬佛法,利益更多人。

    虽然目前芒康县的人口只有八万一千人得到人民政府的保障,可以继续地修持多杰雄登。不过,相信不久的将来,芒康县的附近,如贡觉县、左贡县、察雅县等等甚至整个中国或是世界各地的政府都可以了解到多杰雄登护法是可以带给每个人和平与和谐。

    感谢仁波切这篇值得高兴的博文。祈愿大家得到多杰雄登护法的加持,世界和平。

    Om Benza Wiki Bitana Soha _/\\_

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  • Stella Cheang
    Sunday, Feb 7. 2016 11:57 AM
    The core of the issue never sway from the discrimination imposed by the Tibetan leadership on Dorje Shugden practitioners. The badge mandated by Sera Jey is evidentially one of those unjust rulings that instead of promoting peace, love and harmony, it spreads hatred, discrimination and suffering. These actions are blatantly against the teaching of Buddha and Lam Rim, not to mention against basic human rights and freedom of religion.

    What bothers me and pain my heart very much is the fact that these anti-Buddhism rulings were imposed by one of the most prestige Tibetan Buddhism Monastery college. I grew up watching movies and reading stories that depict how monks from Shaolin Buddhist Temple would rather die in honor than to let villains take a life of the innocent. What Sera Jey had done shocked me to the core. Has the world become so degenerated where Buddhism institution values fame, glory and material gain over the duty to be compassion? And allow ignorance to rule instead of confronting the Shugden issue with logic, reasoning and dialogue?

    To the people in Sera Jey, I hope you will come to realize that this ruling will have long and unduly negative effect on Tibetan Buddhism and on practitioners’ spiritual practice. We are already living in an era far away from Buddha’s pure teachings, full of distractions and disasters; please do not create more suffering and causes to divert us from the path.

    Thank You very much, Rinpoche, Joy and Pastor David for the latest news from Sera Jey. This opens my eyes that the 3 poisons can be in any form or shape.

    http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/badge-of-shame.html
  • Stella Cheang
    Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 11:28 PM
    Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is a renowned lama who is the longest Gaden throneholder in history. He was also the tutor to the 6th HHDl, 12th HHDL, 13th HHDL in his previous lifetimes. Before Kyabe Ling Rinpoche entered clear light, he was one of the two tutors to the 14th HHDL. Given that it is world known fact for the selection of HHDL’s tutors to adhere to stringent conditions and under the scrutiny of the Tibetan government, hence it is safe to say that the tutors to HHDL must be flawless in their Buddhism knowledge and practice.

    The point is, by virtue of their command of Buddhism knowledge, they cannot be propitiating to anything evil. And we have facts to show that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche are both Dorje Shugden practitioners. To me, it is uplifting to know that the tutors to the current HHDL are Dorje Shugden practitioners. It presents the other side of the coin to what CTA and HHDL’s followers claimed. The ban imposed by the CTA in the name of HHDL since 1996 causes many sufferings to Dorje Shugden practitioners as they are not allowed to basic public services and even restaurants; some of the monks were chased out of the monastery and forced to disparage their own Guru.

    How inhume is this going to get before HHDL lifts the ban?! I pray that the ban be lifted soonest and hatred be elevated from the heart of Anti-Shugden people.

    Thank You Rinpoche and Pastor Jean Ai for this informative blog post on Kyabje Ling Rinpoche.

    http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/kyabje-ling-rinpoche-does-dorje-shugden.html
  • NUTroll.
    Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 11:16 PM
    (In some cases) Diferent VIEW

    https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/hrhthegyalsey

    .


    Than CTA(‘standarts)

    http://dalailama.com/webcasts/post/353-tibetan-new-years-message-from-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama


    BOW2TR’writtings&patience: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/12-little-known-law-of-karma-that-will-change-your-life.html good Stella Cheang reFOCUS me, its need better understand&USE2USE,what takes time!in old habits&acumulations priv&colective ,, ,,,LIVE IS LIKE DREAM AS BARDO ilusoric, but (not so) easy to disolve some old&new ”karmas”in us? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLMECUlIc40
  • Stella Cheang
    Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 10:49 PM
    Vajrayogini is a female Buddha who bestows the swiftest practice in this degenerated age. She promises 7 lifetimes (according to H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s lineage) of meeting Vajrayogini again and continuing her practice until practitioners ascend to her pure realm of Kechara Paradise. Vajrayogini is one of the most sacred and profound of practices within H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche’s lineage, and Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche is one of the main lineage holder.

    It is our very good fortune to come across His Eminence the 25th Tsem Rinpoche who aspired to spread the Vajrayogini’s lineage here in Malaysia when his students and followers are ready. Rinpoche’s pure intention are seen when He named the Buddhist organization he founded ‘Kechara’, and the logo of Kechara is the Tibetan syllable ‘BAM’. This is meant to create the cause for people who enter Kechara organization be implanted with the spiritual seeds of Vajrayogini that is embodied in the name Kechara, her pure realm and the syllable BAM, which embodies Vajrayogini herself in the form of sound.

    In addition to this, Rinpoche arranged to build a Vajrayogini Stupa in Kechara Forest Retreat. And now, Rinpoche has arranged for a 2-feet statue of Vajrayogini to be placed in the old container/cabin where Rinpoche used to reside in Kechara Forest Retreat, for the public to make a sacred connection by making offering to Her in the form of Gold Dust or Jewels. This is a exceptional opportunity for us to create the cause to receive Vajrayogini’s sacred initiation and master Her practice.

    Thank You so much, Rinpoche, for always thinking of us, and making arrangement just so that we can create the cause to be nearer to the path.

    http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/kechara-13-depts/make-offerings-to-vajrayogini-in-kechara-forest-retreat.html
  • Stella Cheang
    Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 10:12 PM
    At the onset, I thought karma is the penalty system working on the universal level that keeps track on everyone’s bad behavior. But in fact, karma encapsulates both the good and bad effect as long as one creates the cause for it. Whatever one puts out to the universe, it will come back to them.

    The beauty of the laws of karma is that it is all encompassing, regardless of religion or creed or race, we are all subjected to the Laws of Karma. Hence, the sooner we understand the workings of karma and “play” by the rules, the better and easier things will become.

    Thank You Rinpoche for sharing the 12 laws of karma. I really subscribe to the Great Law as it reminds me to do good and make the right choice.

    http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/12-little-known-law-of-karma-that-will-change-your-life.html
  • NUTroll.
    Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 12:20 PM
    INDIA PRotect by Law http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/09/17/india-declares-dolphins-whales-as-non-human-persons/ A Faroese man shows his son how to take out teeth from a whale’s jaw in the harbour of Torshavn, July 23, 2010. http://europe.newsweek.com/grind-annual-whale-slaughter-begins-faroe-islands-329227
  • NUTroll.
    Friday, Feb 5. 2016 12:58 PM
    did you TR & team read abt? Carlos Muñoz Ferrada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfcBhlAS62g NIBIRU ARRIVES MARCH / APRIL 2016 !?! http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=7330 #paranormal?sth/or nothing? + fake-ness//GayaNow(unsure is click)but paranormal section is here so should kNOW http://ufosightingshotspot.blogspot.com/2013/11/astronomer-carlos-munoz-ferrada.html ….puerto rico?sth. SOME PLANET AS FOR EXAMPLE IN HINDU WEST ASTRO Lilith /Sellena are ”virtual” Negative karma=wisdom, Positive karma need handle gifts.so NUbiru can be ”somekind”spiritual object with orbite Too=affect spiritual system ..controvercy btw lamas?true&fake more intensive deamons ocuppy SaintPlaces? #impossible DS/paranormal TR’web.
  • Tsem Rinpoche
    Friday, Feb 5. 2016 09:37 AM
    Three new videos that are going to help you in your practice!


    Incense offering to DS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOsZa16_hhk

    DS and oracles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttZlpjG4N8

    Is DS Practice Dangerous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1VMMINevQ
  • Pastor Adeline
    Thursday, Feb 4. 2016 10:18 PM
    Tsem Rinpoche: Rest comes not because I am in a nice place but all of our works that have been hanging is completed successfully.
  • Pastor Adeline
    Thursday, Feb 4. 2016 10:17 PM
    這些文字光看已經讓人感到窒息、不適、鬱悶、心痛……可以想像真實的情況會有多麼的令人難受。到底多杰雄登修持者犯了什麼滔天大罪,做了什麼彌天大罪,竟然會換來這樣的遭遇?有誰可以很合理的回答這些問題?

    https://www.facebook.com/anilobsangkyabjom/posts/979399628807241
  • Pastor Adeline
    Thursday, Feb 4. 2016 10:17 PM
    社群媒體是一個提供大家分享資料的平台。資料有分正面或負面的,敝人選擇分享正面的訊息,希望給這個平台帶來一點點的正氣,但是也有人利用這個平台來散播謠言、是非、惡言,把寶貴的時間用在毀人聲譽,上網謾罵,一無是處。最令人匪夷所思的是:對方在辱罵的對象(尊貴的廿五世詹杜固仁波切)不但不認識他,而且跟他一點關係也沒有,那麼對方憑什麼口出狂言、胡說八道、擾人清心?

    https://www.facebook.com/anilobsangkyabjom/posts/981857755228095

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What Am I Writing Now


 

The Unknown

The Known and unknown are both feared,
Known is being comfortable and stagnant,
The unknown may be growth and opportunities,
One shall never know if one fears the unknown more than the known.
Who says the unknown would be worse than the known?
But then again, the unknown is sometimes worse than the known. In the end nothing is known unless we endeavour,
So go pursue all the way with the unknown,
because all unknown with familiarity becomes the known.
~Tsem Rinpoche

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2 days ago
Nice someone presented a Buddha image to President Obama.
3 days ago
This is the holy cave of the Mahasiddha Tilopa in India where he meditated. He had visions of Heruka & Vajra Yogini & received 6 Yogas of Naropa from Heruka. After receiving the 6 Yogas from Heruka, he practiced and became accomplished in this supreme practice and passed it to Naropa. Naropa practiced and accomplished it with good omens. Wrote it down and passed it to his disciples. Today it is known as 6 Yogas of Naropa...
6 days ago
Action Vajra Yogini hence not much ornaments
7 days ago
STUNNING Photo of Kechara Forest Retreat during Sunset taken by the talented Photographer Pastor Seng Piow. See more: http://retreat.kechara.com/
1 week ago
René Dahinden was a well-known Bigfoot researcher. Dahinden was born in Switzerland but moved to Canada at the end of October 1953, where he would live for the rest of his life. For more on Bigfoot: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/category/yeti-bigfoot-sasquatch
1 week ago
Holy mountain of Avalokitesvara, Manjushri and Vajrapani in Tibet.
1 week ago
MUST CLICK AND OPEN THIS PICTURE and read..Powerful logic.
1 week ago
How long will they keep this up? Where do we all go? Do we just stay away? Shall we make parameters of where we can go and not go?
1 week ago
Our wonderful Kechara people under the direction of Karen Chong is in the process of beautifying our town where Kechara Forest Retreat is. We want to make our Bentong Pahang beautiful with art that is unique, bright, colorful and also meaningful. This Dorje Shugden mural represents wealth, protection, health and prosperity for everyone in the coming Lunar New Year's! We love Bentong and it may be small but we can make it more beautiful. It's a gift to the people here. Tsem Rinpoche.
2 weeks ago
You will be shocked to see what a 'badge of shame' is: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=86165
2 weeks ago
I was glad to have visited Mt Shasta town in Northern California at the base of Mt Shasta. This mountain is a spiritually charged holy place according to the Native American Indians. Many powerful spiritual beings abide and reside within the mountain. When one does spiritual practices, meditations and so on on this mountain or near it, one is blessed for success much faster than in other places. Mt Shasta is powerfully charged with spiritual energy and one of the power places of our planet. Tsem Rinpoche
2 weeks ago
The tutor of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is His Holiness Kyabje Ling Rinpoche. Did you know His Holiness Kyabje Ling Rinpoche propitated Dorje Shugden and composed texts to him? Please see here clearly: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=86074
2 weeks ago
This is so powerful..please read and share.
3 weeks ago
You know, been working on this new post with powerful messages for the last 8 hours with a small great team. Just finished 10 mins ago. Sharing here: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=85658
3 weeks ago
This is a must read. Click on picture. Very powerful.
3 weeks ago
Our beautiful Dorje Shugden chapel in Kechara Forest Retreat.
3 weeks ago
His Eminence Kyabje Lati Rinpoche, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and His Eminence Kensur Jampa Yeshe. What a beautiful picture.
3 weeks ago
Chenresig bone relic of Panchen Sonam Dragpa ( one of the previous incarnations of Tulku Trakpa Gyaltsen) at Drepung Gompa in Tibet. -From Francesco This is a image of Ary Avalokitesvara (Chenresig) spontaneously arising from the bone of Panchen Sonam Dragpa. It is highly blessed. It shows the special connection of Avalokitesvara with this master and he is highly attained.
3 weeks ago
The personal statue of Buddha Vajra Yogini belonging to Dromo Geshe Rinpoche in Samten Choling Monastery-India.
3 weeks ago
“As long as Man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love.” ― Pythagoras
4 weeks ago
Very good illustration...
4 weeks ago
This is important. Plse click on picture to read.
4 weeks ago
Something for you to read. Click on picture please
4 weeks ago
I was around 25 years old here. Tsem Rinpoche
4 weeks ago
This is very logical.
4 weeks ago
Great Master Changkya Rolpai Dorje who was the tutor to the Imperial Emperor of China. He was a previous incarnation of Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche.
4 weeks ago
His Eminence Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche before his passing. He was my teacher too and a great master.
4 weeks ago
Myself in the extreme lower right. Part of my face is cut off in picture. I am here to attend Kalmyck language class in Howell, New Jersey with other Kalmuck kids. I was around 9 or 10 years old I think.
4 weeks ago
Happy discovery of the day: Khedrup Je was vegetarian! ---- "In Khedrup Je's commentary on The Three Vows, it is said that, on the whole, only the Bodhisattvas are required to abstain from meat. Therefore, all who have taken the vow of bodhichitta, whether they be monks, nuns, or lay people, must abstain from meat. For if Bodhisattvas, who have thus become an object of praise, eat meat, a strong desire for the taste of it will grow in them. As a result, their compassion will wane. Therefore the fully ordained, the shramaneras, kings, ministers, leaders, and lay people who practice the Mahayana should refrain from eating meat." (This was found and posted by Pastor Jean Ai)
1 month ago
Oh my goodness! Click on this picture to see clearly.
1 month ago
Mr. Jamyang Norbu is a powerful Tibetan writer and blogger. He is one of the few people who tell the truth about the Tibetan Leadership and what happens within the Tibetan communities. It is a fact that if you disagree with Tibetan Leadership in Dharamsala on any issue, they get you ostracized and then perhaps the crowd against you. That could be dangerous. This is not pleasant but true. Recently with the Tibetan in exiled 'election' of the new Prime Minister, they did everything they can to get rid of Lukar Jam who wants corruption to end in Tibetan leadership and unite Tibetans regardless of their spiritual orientation. Indeed a rare breed. This is a excellent article to read..Again I am not interested in politics but this shows clearly how the CTA or Tibetan leadership accepts no opposition in their secular and religious decisons right or wrong..and how my choice of spirituality has brought me problems which should not happen in a real democracy. Since it's related I post here. So by all means take a look at how unethical Tibetan Leadership is through the eyes of a well known Tibetan writer: http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2015/11/13/election-by-divine-intervention/
1 month ago
To be the bearer of light, one needs to see the darkness within and overcome. Face the darkness without more delays. ~Tsem Rinpoche 
1 month ago
His Holiness the Dalai Lama speaks very clearly about an issue that is hurting so many people: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=83853
1 month ago
Kb is a kind person always. Tsem Rinpoche
1 month ago
Beng Kooi is one of the best friends anyone is blessed to have. She has made such a huge difference to our dharma works to bring benefit to others. Tsem Rinpoche
1 month ago
It seems that Reuters Anti-Dorje Shugden report backfired into China re-affirming it's stance to give religious freedom to all it's citizens. Also in an open statement, China officially recognizes Dorje Shugden! MUST READ POST: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=83332
1 month ago
There are good people everywhere. Treasure them always. Life is too short for anything else.
1 month ago
This picture is just a small fraction of how big the lake is. It is behind the Batu Caves area-Malaysia. This lake is called Batu Dam at Jalan Uluyam Bharu. It is around 30 mins from Bandar Utama if no traffic. We drove along it and the lake was so beautiful. To be around that area reminded me of Northern California. Would be lovely to live in that area along the edge of the lake. Karen kindly took this photo of myself overlooking the lake. Tsem R
2 months ago
This is powerful. Do read it well and understand this explanation- China officially supports Dorje Shugden: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=83091
2 months ago
Before the unethical ban against the spiritual practice of Dorje Shugden, all the teachers are friendly, they are in contact and support each other. There was much harmony and everyone was focused on bringing the Buddha dharma to many. They often met up with each other, or in communication and even attended eachother's events. The harmony was palpable, beneficial and everyone was united. You an see here how Lama Zopa Rinpoche comes to one of Kyabje Gangchen Rinpoche's events in Nepal. How warmly they greet eachother and there is so much spirituality radiating from this blessed picture. Now because of this unethical ban against Shugden, these lamas are not allowed to meet although they have the same root guru. Because of the unethical ban against Dorje Shugden the whole Tibetan Buddhist world is divided. Those who wish to practice Dorje Shugden are not allowed to participate or be friends with those who do not practice Dorje Shugden. What is incredible is why are Tibetan Buddhists divided by religion? Tsem Rinpoche
2 months ago
Wouldn't it be nice that we chose to do something with our lives beyond materialism that made a difference to millions and bettered their lives? Tsem Rinpoche
2 months ago
Dear everyone, Plse read this carefully if you have pets as it's important and simple: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=82688
2 months ago
Funeral of Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche in Thailand where he entered clear light.
2 months ago
At Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche's funeral in Thailand.
2 months ago
I have some nice friends who presented me with very beautiful and unique gifts. Among the gifts were this mug and book. The mug has my name on it! Thank you so much to Erik Yeh & Mavis Yeh. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. Tsem Rinpoche.
2 months ago
Willow Creek California Bigfoot Museum which I had a chance to visit. Was happy to be there and always wanted to visit. More pictures: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=51121
2 months ago
I've been wanting to publish a blog post on Manjushri and many aspects about Him for the longest time. Finally it is done and it's informative and beautiful: http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/?p=81012
2 months ago
Presenting the new Board of Directors of Kechara for 2015-2017. In the tradition of the great monasteries of India and Tibet, these 22 individuals were personally handpicked by the enlightened Protector Dorje Shugden from a long list of names that was submitted to him. Tonight, auspicious prayers were done to invoke the blessings of the Three Jewels so that they may do tremendous work to bring Dharma to benefit many people. Please give them your congratulations and support.
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    2 months ago
    All beings have feelings and do not want pain, to be hurt or harmed. Therefore we must respect this and not harm animals. See this video how this man has made good friends with a special fish who comes when he rings for the fish. Touching. Tsem Rinpoche
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    5 months ago
    HH the Dalai Lama prays with HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche. Such a beautiful video of His Holiness Dalai Lama, His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and His Holiness Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche (Very exalted high Nyingma lama) are all praying together. In the background you see a young Kyabje Lati Rinpoche too. So beautiful. This is how it was before the ban. All the sects and high lamas were superbly harmonious. After the Dorje Shugden ban things changed for the worse. May the ban be released soon. Tsem Rinpoche
  • Nice Dorje Shugden rock painting
    5 months ago
    Nice Dorje Shugden rock painting
  • His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche teaches the truth of life and our impeding death.
    5 months ago
    His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche teaches the truth of life and our impeding death.
  • A kind message from Mr. Tsering Wangchuk to me. Thank you so much. Tsem Rinpoche
    6 months ago
    A kind message from Mr. Tsering Wangchuk to me. Thank you so much. Tsem Rinpoche
  • Mr Chatreng Yeshe's message to me (Part 1)
    6 months ago
    Mr Chatreng Yeshe's message to me (Part 1)
  • Mr Chatreng Yeshe's message to me (Part 2)
    6 months ago
    Mr Chatreng Yeshe's message to me (Part 2)
  • His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche accepts Long Life puja
    7 months ago
    His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche accepts Long Life puja
  • Dorje Shugden/Kache Marpo makes offerings to Tsem Rinpoche
    7 months ago
    Dorje Shugden/Kache Marpo makes offerings to Tsem Rinpoche
  • My good friend Justin Ripley
    7 months ago
    My good friend Justin Ripley
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    8 months ago
    I requested Choji Lah to do a trusol, rabney and soongdroop for our large DS and Buddha. In this video, he is performing trusol which is ritually 'bathing' the environment and blessing all those who come to visit our Wisdom Hall and Dorje Shugden. Tsem Rinpoche
  • Bigfoot arrives!!!
    8 months ago
    Bigfoot arrives!!!
    Tsem Rinpoche is an avid follower of the paranormal such as bigfoots. For more interesting writings and posts on the subject, please go to http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/category/yeti-bigfoot-sasquatch
  • Mumu Loves Snack!
    8 months ago
    Mumu Loves Snack!
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    9 months ago
    For H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, a blog post is not just a blog post but Dharma work that generates merits which should be dedicated. Click here to find out what blog post Rinpoche was dedicating the merits for when he recited this prayer: http://bit.ly/1KiXWf9 ~Ani Lobsang Pema
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    9 months ago
    Panchen Lama in Beijing on CCTV - China's official news. The respect and position they give His Holiness Panchen Lama is great.

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Learn more about Khatas and the meaning behind http://bit.ly/1NYioyy - shared by Pastor Antoinette
14 hours ago
Puja Team members preparing for tonite Chinese New Year's Puja. By Puja House 7 Feb '16
14 hours ago
This is Qi Zhe. He just joined KSDS this year and has since gotten along very well with the rest of the class. He is picking up in reciting mantra and prostration. Stella Cheang, KSDS
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15 hours ago
This is Ern Ern. She loves coming for the KSDS class every Sunday. She participates in every activity and follow instructions very well, even though she is just 3 years old. She is very lovable. Stella Cheang, KSDS
15 hours ago
They are Min Min (on the left) and Gaden (on the right). Gaden is a brilliant, active and positive boy who is not afraid to reach out to other children. Min Min is still a bit shy but once he warms up to you, he is fun and chatty. Stella Cheang, KSDS
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This is Jarret Yu. He is independent and quiet. He likes blue color and cars. He can recite Migtsema when guided. Stella Cheang, KSDS
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Dorje Shugden Puja is a highly demanded Puja by sponsors. By Puja House 6 February '16
23 hours ago
Druchuma Puja conducted today. By Puja House 6 February '16
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Kechara Gompa is ready for Chinese New Year Puja. 6 February '16
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Beautiful tormas ready for pujas. By Puja House 6 February '16
yesterday
The students were concentrated&listened to Teacher Kien while he was explaining about Padmasambhava spread the dharma in Tibet. KSDS, Alice Tay
yesterday
The students of KSDS enjoyed the art class very much. They are given opportunity to draw the Monkey as per their preference. KSDS, Alice Tay
yesterday
These 2 pretty angels were happy to get the Mandarin from the KSDS teachers. KSDS, Alice Tay
yesterday
This is one of the creative artwork done by the KSDS's student. KSDS, Alice Tay
yesterday
Teacher Jesvin was excited & happy that the KSDS's students able to finish their artwork nicely. KSDS, Alice Tay
2 days ago
願尊者健康長壽,常轉法輪,廣利有情!願多杰雄登禁令盡快消除,讓傳承持續延續下去!溫婉如講法師
2 days ago
Look at all the happy faces of children during dharma school every Sunday in Kechara :) Lin Mun KSDS
2 days ago
Dedication of vegetarian vow in Jan 2016 led by Pastor Adeline. Lin Mun KSDS
2 days ago
Teacher Kien , teacher Jesvin and her daughter busy preparing dharma class artwork on a Sunday. Great teamwork. Lin Mun KSDS
2 days ago
Preparation of artwork by KSDS teachers for children dharma class. Lin Mun KSDS
2 days ago
Pastor Adeline and KSDS teachers had a CNY lunch gathering in Kechara Oasis on 31st Jan. Lin Mun KSDS
2 days ago
"We must make sure the kids have fun", says Victoria at the 2015 W.O.A.H Camp. Pastor Adeline
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